Efed?

[Mr. Showtime Bryan Daniels]

Jun 27, 2012 2:38:17 GMT Chris Lionheart said:

So, without having any drama flaring up, what do you guys truly believe needs to happen in today's efedding, so that we end-up in an improved environment with more handlers present and that we can all enjoy?

- Do we need to mentally and physically move-on from our current crop of characters (and any good or bad feelings they may bring with them); start completely fresh from the ground up so that everyone is equal, with a "don't ask/don't tell" policy in regards to whom controls whom?

- Do we similarly need to let go of our current or former efeds, and the long IC/OOC history that they have baked-in (sometimes good and sometimes bad); all come together to forge one cohesive efed with standardized rules and settings so that everyone can simply get back to RPing with everyone else without worrying about old b.s.?

- Do owners/staff need to invest in items which would live-stream events and remove question of "match rigging", which has cast a long shadow over the past? Or is this not a necessity, and we can learn to move past this knee-jerk suspicion, for example if we were already using fresh characters in a fresh efed?

Right now I'm just asking questions. I don't have all the answers, but one way or another, I want to see if there's a way to move forward as a collective group and improve things for everyone; even if it means attempting to break-down barriers which are preventing us from being more like our past - where there were a lot more of us together in one place, which I believe made for more creativity.

Don't be afraid to give your opinions, but at the same time let's not degenerate into insults or anything like that. I'm seeking an open and objective discussion.

I haven't been in an efed for almost 2 years, but I think I may be able to provide a few points here. Some of it may sound familiar to a few here as I've discussed it extensively with you. But, I'm going to reiterate for those who may have not read my thoughts before. After all, I do enjoy the feedback.

1 & 2 - Bringing up the VWE-like fed system. With brand new characters and a don't ask/don't tell policy of who is controlling this CAW or that CAW, it could help squash a lot of drama. That, of course, would have to be in a brand new fed I think. Everyone would be on equal footing, there would be no sense of entitlement, and no name dropping of this fed or that fed or so-and-so. BUT, look at it from a different perspective, many of us have been around for years and years. We have worked very hard to establish our characters in efeds and build their characters. To ignore the history that has been established is almost criminal and would probably rub a lot of people the wrong way the same way name dropping and the like does. Even if there was a new fed with completely new faces that nobody knew and had never been showcased in a fed or creation thread, this is the internet. Things would quickly be revealed and everyone would know who is controlling what CAWs. That's just the way it is. You can't control what everyone talks about and we're all connected somehow through one person or another. Two people could hate each other over something but still have a mutual friend. That's just the way things work I guess. I personally have no grudges toward anyone. Not sure if there are any toward me. I don't know of it if there are. Either way, whether brand new characters or the same ones we've seen for years, everyone would eventually know who is controlling who. The only way to truly squash any drama is have the people who have grudges with each other talk it out. Who knows how well all of those talks will go. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. That's all we can really do. It would be up to those who have issues with each other to settle things.

3 - As far as live streaming goes, I'm definitely all for it. I think it could bring those in a fed closer together if they are there participating in the live chat while watching the shows all at the same time as they are simmed. This takes away any thoughts of rigging or resimming to get a desired result. What you see is what you get. Of course, I think the staff of the fed should also have more control over the CAWs. What I mean by that is booking them in matches every week, which would take the stress of trying to find an opponent each week off of the RPers. They would know who they are facing and can simply do a short promo that can be input in Story Designer. Some may not even need to RP for a certain week, just like you don't see every person on Raw/SD/Impact promo every show. You can simply let the matches do the storytelling that week. Allow the staff a little more free roam over the CAWs so they can be attacked or made a little vulnerable in a cutscene. But, I suppose that depends on how open any one person is to letting their CAW be used in that manner.

[Mr. Showtime Bryan Daniels]

Jun 30, 2012 15:34:05 GMT @colbydonnelly said:

Indeed would be sweet to compete with all these household caw names & up and comers too under one united fed so to speak, it is a pain in ass keeping up with multiple feds and such at certain points...

I tried my hand at it too to try and work an all under one joint and ultimately failed due to lack of peeps showing up to the site, broken equipment etc., there was one site called OWN that was almost similar to whats being discussed here, where everyone could request a match against certain caws and see how they stack up without the worries of grudges and shit..

Hopefully people can relax enough and see it's just a game nothing personal and we can maybe one day come in with no fears of drama ya know..

It's still around, though very inactive. I simply don't have time to run it the way I would like with my personal life being as busy as it nowadays. I certainly wish I was able to do so though and bring back the fun we had with it in 2009. Then again, I would probably have to run it on 360 and PS3 to get everyone involved again. I would probably use Twitch/Justin to broadcast live if I were to do it again so we could all talk about it in chat as the matches happen.

[Oz70NYC]

Ironic the ideas that Sentoryu and Myke mention, because we put such an idea in place a year ago when PWN was created, the Neo National Wrestling Alliances. It in a nutshell is EXACTLY like the NWA, sans having defined titles that cross territories. It's merely a means for us all to be able to connect our characters in one centralized continuity without having to go through the "hi, my name is_______" that's usually done with characters that have never interacted before, but who's handlers are well acquainted. So for example, one of my flagship characters Evan Fate and Sylas Styles, two characters that in text form have never "officially" interacted, but in their long term stories have at one point been tag team partners, with Sylas being a member of Evan's "Ruin-Nation" stable. It's a mutual idea I and Myke came up with years ago to cover the gray period when he was inactive with Sylas and I was inactive with Evan. And it also affords us the luxury of Rping the characters as pretty much "Broskis" if we ever did put them in the same E-Fed.

Now on the subject of having a centralized title that can be represented across multiple "companies", that brings to mind a major title that exists in real life that does exactly that...NJPW's IWGP title. It's their most prestigious belt, and it's a belt that's recognized in NJPW, AJPW, TNA and at one point PW Noah. The man who holds it is pretty much regarded the OFFICIAL best wrestler on the planet. The biggest obstacle of having such a title exist in E-Wrestlng of course...the "E" word...ego. I say this frankly, and with no insult intended...but not all characters and not all handlers are world title material. What applies in real life wrestling applies in E-Wrestling as well. Jack Swagger is an awesome worker, and he does his gimmick well enough to be featured weekly. But he's not a world champion material. He wasn't when he was the world champ, and that's the key reason he's not been any higher then a 2ndary champ since.

The problem with some handlers in E-Feds is that they believe they're world title caliber, and they're not. So when they're told they're not, the pitch fits, jump ship and start flame wars. In order to make such a title able to exists, we'd have to firmly and indefinitely establish the BEST of the best among all existing characters. The absolute pinnacle characters of every involved league. And anyone not on the list needs to resign themselves to the fact that they're not among the best. It doesn't mean they're bad, it just means they're not on the level of others. To use a couple characters from my fed...Dan Ripley is an AWESOME character. Always well portrayed and always producing excellent material. But as good a character as he is, he's not on the level of Scott O'Dell. Because Ripley does extremely well against other characters who are on his level. O'Dell can make ANYONE look good. You can match a no name, poorly portrayed character against him and he'll carry the angle on his back. Characters that have and can make immediate, league wide impact. Those are the ones who would be the contenders.

Now I admit, I've not kept up to date here in IW in months. Been neck deep in my own fed, plus moving from New York to Florida, then from a rental home to a paid off home in Florida. So I don't know what the order of contention is here. But in my operation, I can pick 5 characters who would instantly get my bid to challenge for such a championship. Scott O'Dell, Van Hayden, & Adam Devlin, Bryan Jasta & Scott EPIC. All impactful characters who've put the most work in not just in PWN, but back in XWA as well. Notice no mention of a !!!JONNY PUNCH!!!, Jimmy Ames, Ethan Bain, Mihashi Naozane or Lionel Xander to anyone familiar with PWN's characters. All of them above excellent characters. But they all don't have the impact that the 5 I mentioned have. When you read a post from any of them, you know you're getting top notch content, and that they're going to go above and beyond the call to tell the best possible story they can in their words. And what's more important? No one in PWN would dispute the fact that those 5 are the top draw characters among the males. That's what matters most. There peers acknowledge that they're the elites of the the league. Whoever here has that level of impact naturally would be the choices for contention among the IW.

The next subject of such a title existing is a simple one-worded question: Where? My answer to that would be a neutral place that exists SOLELY for the purpose of that championship. So it'd be a separate forum, organized and governed by the administrative minds behind the idea. Since such a title would be a VERY huge deal, it wouldn't be something defended regularly. It couldn't be...because that would lesson it's prestige. I think the best course of contention for such a title would be in tournament form. And low and behold, years ago I actually ran a tournament built on a similar premise, The Grapplers World Grand Prix. It was done on Fire Pro Returns, but I opened an invite on Fire Pro Club to anyone willing to submit a character to compete in a single elimination tourny for the GWGP Trophy. This idea can easily be revised into a GWGP World Title. I'm just tossing ideas out there, because it can be done. The problem is there's a LOT of work that would need to be done before such an idea even gets legs to stand on, and the question is how willing would people be to committing to such an idea.

[colbydonnelly]

Jun 30, 2012 16:05:48 GMT Mr. Showtime Bryan Daniels said:

Jun 30, 2012 15:34:05 GMT @colbydonnelly said:

Indeed would be sweet to compete with all these household caw names & up and comers too under one united fed so to speak, it is a pain in ass keeping up with multiple feds and such at certain points...

I tried my hand at it too to try and work an all under one joint and ultimately failed due to lack of peeps showing up to the site, broken equipment etc., there was one site called OWN that was almost similar to whats being discussed here, where everyone could request a match against certain caws and see how they stack up without the worries of grudges and shit..

Hopefully people can relax enough and see it's just a game nothing personal and we can maybe one day come in with no fears of drama ya know..

It's still around, though very inactive. I simply don't have time to run it the way I would like with my personal life being as busy as it nowadays. I certainly wish I was able to do so though and bring back the fun we had with it in 2009. Then again, I would probably have to run it on 360 and PS3 to get everyone involved again. I would probably use Twitch/Justin to broadcast live if I were to do it again so we could all talk about it in chat as the matches happen.

Very understandable my good man, real time stuff takes top priority over everything else.

And that's another thing to the consoles, deciding on which is the right one.. As of this year thou with 64layes NOW on both consoles, PS3 would be way to go as there seems to be more peeps on there but then that leave out 360 users who have to type forms to be converted and vice versa.. Would be flipping sweet if we could cross upload like before were 360 & PS3 could swap caws to each other..

Would defo help getting caws on rosters big time without the hassles of converting..

[Chris Lionheart]

Oz, If you are standing behind the idea of an NWA traveling title, even pointing out similar instances in the past, why are you at the same time seemingly against a universal fed (if I understood your first post here correctly)?

I think most people know that most feds tend to use PWNeo's A.I. Sliders, or a minor tweaked version of them. I'd like to think that we could all come together to form one big fed which covers all the bases (PS3 and 360) for members enjoyment; and that staff could all be trusted to work together since they'd all want the same thing, a place where every one comes back together and can RP/interact with everyone else. It seems very doable, especially given the idea that you're open to something strikingly similar with setting up a seperate forum which is managed by the efed admins for the traveling NWA-style title.

[Chris Lionheart]

Jun 30, 2012 16:38:58 GMT @colbydonnelly said:

Would be flipping sweet if we could cross upload like before were 360 & PS3 could swap caws to each other..

Would defo help getting caws on rosters big time without the hassles of converting..

There are theoretically enough people around who could do PS3-360 or 360-PS3 conversions. I know PWN already has a small group of people who do this for text-based fedders. I know Joker and Genesis have done it in the past here at IW. I even find myself doing it (creating CAWs from formulas/re-creating CAWs from scratch), either to send to Leon, or because 360 glitches out, thinking that someone else created the CAW or that it uses DLC when it doesn't. That's not an issue at all for a theoretical PS3+360 Universal Fed.

[Mr. Showtime Bryan Daniels]

I think that is where opinions differ slightly. I prefer using PS3 for most cross-platform games and I definitely prefer it's exclusives over 360. HOWEVER, with WWE games, I think 360 is the way to go because of the hacks that you can do. I use them to make the game more accessible. For instance, hacking females to males so they can compete in 6 person matches, in every match type, and are able to have more title options than the Women's and Diva's championships. Plus, it opens up intergender matches where men and women can compete against each other. This isn't real life, it's fantasy. I prefer allowing everyone to compete against each other compared to women vs women and men vs men only. That's why I loved the APW NationWide and Tag Team titles so much. Anyone could hold them whether it be a man or woman for NationWide or Man/Man, Woman/Woman, or Man/Woman tag team for the Tag Team titles. But, that is personal preference. Many are very against it. It is one of the reasons I prefer the 360 because of the hacks over PS3 though.

[Chris Lionheart]

So in a universal fed the 360 brand has the option of those things which only the 360 can do... without specifically forcing them onto people who don't like them.

I think it would be cool to co-opt the NWA traveling title idea for multiple efeds and transform it for a universal fed. Each console (brand) has it's own titles... But the Universal Fed's World/Women's World/World Tag are defended every now and then when a particular CAW get's converted accross to one console or the other, really amp up both the spectical of the brands/consoles fighting as a special occurance; and also make the World-tier of titles much, much more special.

[JOKEr]

I think this wound be real fun. A big title to shot for.

I know my skills aren't up there to fight for it but would still be able to use it in promos. Add a bit more into my guys.

I have been around the efeds for like 5 years. Some know me, but like you OZ only know a bit of my work and for the most part it hasn't been that great.

I for one would love to do a true style invation angle that everyone got to interact with each other setting up this nwa style huge championship.


This idea of a new caw/fed does sound fun. No one having any idea who everyone is would make things interesting.

[Mr. Showtime Bryan Daniels]

I like the overall idea of the shared championship across several feds. But, I can see it being an issue for those that aren't deemed "worthy" enough to fight for it. Who would even determine that? The efed admins? A poll in each efed on who is worthy? Members voting by PM? Should there be a limited number from each fed or is it whoever has enough skill? Are there any prerequisites such as only former fed World Champions, how long they have been in an efed or around efeds in general? Who should determine any prerequisites? Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but there seems to be a lot that needs to be determined prior to the title being established. It's certainly a discussion all should be involved in whether they would like to compete for it or not have one at all.

As for the universal fed, it's an idea that several of us were discussing months back. It wasn't well received amongst efed admins, so it hardly got off the ground. If people would like to openly discuss it, I have a forum set up specifically for that HERE. You MUST register in order to view the forum and post. Please read what has already been discussed.

[evil]

i can see jags point about my character in the 1st page (using the 3ds 2 type this out so bare w/ me haha)

the reason 4 the LOOOONG bio for genesis is because i literately kept a journal/diary of my characters. at the end of the day? i want u 2 know everything about my characters. soooo many times have i seen incomplete bio histories or a 5–lined, half–ass background that 2 me would show u apparently don't give a shit about ur own characters. so why should i care? especially if im the guy doing research on my opposition 4 a storyline.

good discussion so far folks. i luv that we can ALL come together like this to have an open discussion.

[Sentoryu]

Jul 3, 2012 0:50:07 GMT @evil said:

i can see jags point about my character in the 1st page (using the 3ds 2 type this out so bare w/ me haha)

the reason 4 the LOOOONG bio for genesis is because i literately kept a journal/diary of my characters. at the end of the day? i want u 2 know everything about my characters. soooo many times have i seen incomplete bio histories or a 5–lined, half–ass background that 2 me would show u apparently don't give a shit about ur own characters. so why should i care? especially if im the guy doing research on my opposition 4 a storyline.

good discussion so far folks. i luv that we can ALL come together like this to have an open discussion.

lol wasnt a diss directed at you just an example. I know it helps with the handlers emergence into his character, but sometimes newer guys get kinda snowed under by the what seems to ppl kinda on the outside as it is tooting of ones own horn. not that tootin ur own horn is a bad thing as i like my horn to be tooted alot but just not by myself haha.

[Chris Lionheart]

lol, thing is Gen can't read. It does say on the bio template to only include WCW/TNB/IW history; and to put other efed history in an extended version of the bio in the Efed board.

[evil]

problem is, karl's stupid. so i purposely did the bio my own way... the RIGHT way.

[Sentoryu]

now now kiddies does old man Fuyuki have to take both of you over his knee and give ya a trimmin' ahhaha. I wrote a long bio/bg story for Kyrksen all i got out of it was TL;DR hahaha had no freakin idea what it meant haha.