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Post by Chris Lionheart on Oct 5, 2011 13:45:40 GMT
"The Insanity of IWC Logic"
Disclaimer: This week I will be talking about the hilarious hypocrisy when it comes to wwe fans as it pertains to Kevin Nash and the WTF is going on ending of Summerslam (Don’t worry, It’ll include commentary on TNA) The second thing I will be talking about is the equally hilarious double standard when it comes to people as to who to believe when it comes to news reports; Dirtsheets or TNA employees.
I guess Kevin Nash is a Legend Now in wwe and Not a Washed up Has Been like He Was in TNA Last Night, I watched Summerslam online because I’m a wrestling fan and it had two matches I really wanted to see; Christian vs. Orton and Cena vs. Punk II (But in reality it’s Cena vs. Punk VI). The Christian vs. Orton match was incredible and a legit MOTYC with an amazing (and dangerous) ending of a Super RKO onto the Steel Steps. Then we got Cena vs. Punk and the match was good even though I found it a bit slow and boring but it was still a ***1/2 match. (Not the **** and even ***** Bullshit I read online) The match ended with controversy because it’s obvious Cena can’t ever lose clean. Then the insanity starts as Kevin Nash randomly reappears and attacks the IWC golden boy CM Punk. Nash Leaves and Alberto Del “I draw no heat” Rio cashes in MITB and becomes the Undisputed Champion as the show closes. So that’s how Summerslam ended with an overbooked match, a random return and yet another “Unpredictable” MITB cash-in involving a guy who is nowhere close to being champion. After the disappointing ending, I go and read what people have to say about it and its all “what an amazing ppv”, “Kevin Nash is back, I did not see that coming”, “That’s how you book a ppv main event”, “Great use of Nash here” and “Kevin Nash is back in wwe, YES that’s great”.
I read this and I can’t help but laugh because you have the exact same match as a TNA ppv main event with RVD as Cena, AJ Styles as CM Punk, Kevin Nash as Himself and say Crimson (as he isn’t over with people apparently) as Alberto Del “I draw zero heat” Rio. Now this happens on a TNA ppv and all we would read online is “Kevin Nash in a prominent role, god it’s like TNA hates Young guys”, “Crimson as champion is stupid because he isn’t over nor is he any good” (Give me one stand out singles match Del Rio has had in wwe, he is an overrated IWC favorite period), “Fuck this company”, “AJ needs to leave TNA and come wwe where they know how to book talent”, “Nash and Hogan are playing politics again, god its WCW all over again” etc. The amazing thing is when Nash feuded with AJ in the summer of 2009, people were downright pissed that TNA was wasting AJ’s talents by making him carry a broken down Kevin Nash instead of wrestling great matches with “insert wrestler here” but now people are seemingly OK or downright intrigued to see Kevin Nash wrestle CM Punk. Just obnoxious hypocrites wwe fans are and/or it means NO MATTER WHAT TNA DOES THEY’LL GET CRAPPED ON AND NO MATTER WHAT wwe DOES THEY’LL GET PRAISED FOR IT
TNA Employee’s Lie but Dirtsheets Tell the Truth in the Eyes of the IWC
This is another thing I read online and I can’t help but just laugh at this notion. I mean most people on wrestling boards/forums will believe anything reported by Meltzer, PWTorch, Prowrestling.Net, WrestlingNewsworld etc. but they consider anything said by TNA employees or Wrestlers as a lie. For example: When PWTorch reported that the “X-Division was getting scrapped” (an insane notion no matter how bad the X-division was at that point it was reported), people believed this report as a FACT and proceeded to write comments that consisted of “TNA wants to fail”, “Fuck this company” (they say this one a lot), “Hogan and Bischoff have no clue what they are doing”, “RIP TNA” etc. When Bischoff vehemently denied the report and proceeded to rip the PWTorch for reporting it, you want to know what people wrote when reading that article on various Wrestling boards and forums: “Well of course Bischoff denies it but we know it’s true because it’s said Hogan hates little guy wrestling”, “This is just Bischoff doing temporary damage control, once it blows over they’ll abolish the X-division”, “They got caught red-handed and are just doing damage control” etc.
Don’t get me wrong I get that TNA employees will talk up their company in interviews and stuff, but to blindly believe 3rd party reporters instead of people who work for the company is just retarded. TNA wrestlers talk about how well they are treated in TNA by Dixie, they talk about how Ric Flair is always there to help them or give them advice on promos, promo delivery etc. and more on how the TNA locker room is a fun place to be around. Instead of believing what the TNA wrestlers are saying, People online think the TNA wrestlers are full of shit and believe that morale is low in the TNA locker room every time The Wrestling Observer, PWTorch and other dirtsheets claim TNA’s morale is low. (You know once every 4-6 weeks) My personal favorite is when someone with firsthand knowledge of TNA’s financials aka a TNA employee says that TNA is profitable (Jeff Jarrett, Jeremy Borash and Dixie Carter have all said this and have said this multiple times over the years) people online write those statements off as bullshit because Dave Meltzer reports TNA is losing money every so often or because Dave Meltzer reports (in reality, he guesses) what the “Insert ppv” buyrates are.
This is some truly some unbelievable logic here as TNA President Dixie Carter, TNA Minority Owner Jeff Jarrett and TNA’s Every Man (best description I can think of for JB) Jeremy Borash are all liars when they say TNA makes money because it counteracts what a Dirtsheet reporter claims.
The whole “WWE Reject” Argument for Any Ex-WWE Talent in TNA Every time I have to read something about how a “WWE reject” is in TNA it makes me sick. It annoys the hell out of me that TNA gets bashed for signing and using a wrestler who WWE completely dropped the ball on even if the guy is doing a great job in TNA. It knows no bounds either this “WWE reject” label as I read people claim that Kurt Angle is a WWE reject or how Jeff Hardy in 2010 was a WWE reject despite the fact that Vince Mcmahon would pay both men a truckload of money to get these guys back and inject some life and new blood in his incredibly bland product nowadays.
The basis of the argument is that if a WWE wrestler gets released it means that he/she gets labeled as a “reject” because WWE got rid of them because they couldn’t cut it in the big leagues for whatever reason. That’s how people online rationalize calling Jeff Hardy or Kurt Angle “WWE rejects”. So if WWE drops the ball on a talent and TNA comes along and gives said talent a chance they will not get credit for making the talent a star. Mr. Anderson and Matt Morgan are two guys who TNA made into legit mainstream stars but because they were in WWE beforehand TNA doesn’t get credit for making them so. I still remember reading last year how the Bound for Glory Main Event was between 3 WWE rejects despite all 3 guys working their asses off and EARNING that spot in the main event especially Kurt Angle.
There Are No Rejects in WWE Ever This is because the WWE is the biggest wrestling company in the world and so someone like an R-Truth (who was Ron killings in TNA for 5 years) is not a TNA reject because he jumped to the bigger company. (That is logic I can buy) These people also don’t consider Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Undertaker, HHH, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and others as WCW rejects because they insist that WWE was the bigger company. It seems to me that TNA is doing in the mid to late 2000s what the WWE did in the mid to late 1990s but yet they get trashed on for doing it.
There Are No Rejects in ROH Apparently Despite Having You Know Ex-WWE and Ex-TNA Talent On Their Roster
You see this is where the whole “Reject” argument just outs itself as another way to bash TNA for no real reason. That’s because in ROH, there are no WWE or TNA rejects as they aren’t rejects but rather they are just “wasted talents”. I made the joke months ago (I believe HH4Lyfe enjoyed my joke) that if Haas and Benjamin go from ROH to TNA, they’ll also go from “Wasted Talents” to “WWE rejects” This is what the last ROH I-PPV lineup looked like:
Eddie Edwards VS. Roderick Strong - Best two out of three falls match First fall is pinfall only, second is submission only and the third if needed will be a 15 minute iron man match.
Ladder match - with a contract for a Tag Title shot hanging above the ring Jay and Mark Briscoe VS. The All Night Express
Shelton Benjamin VS. "The Prodigy" Mike Bennett
Charlie Haas VS. Michal Elgin
Three way Elimination The Young Bucks VS. Future Shock VS. The Bravados
El Generico VS. Jimmy Jacobs
Jay Lethal and Homicide VS. Tommaso Ciampa and Rhino
The names in purple are “rejects” from bigger wrestling companies. There are EIGHT names on this list that came to ROH because they failed in the bigger companies out of the 22 wrestlers who competed at ROH’s last ppv. Not one person online made a big deal out of this on wrestling sites or on Youtube.
So how is it that a Kurt Angle or a Jeff Hardy can be dubbed a “WWE reject” but not a Charlie Haas or a Shelton Benjamin? How is it that Rhino can be a WWE reject in TNA but not be dubbed one in ROH especially when both main stream wrestling companies rejected him? It’s simple: It’s because the whole “reject argument” is just another excuse for the IWC to complain about TNA and just TNA. I never consider a talent going from a big company to a smaller company “a reject” so I don’t care if TNA or ROH or any other wrestling Federation being full of wrestlers from other companies but for all those people online to just single out TNA for being the place of “rejects” is a disgrace. Either you believe in this and point this out for every wrestling fed that has a number of “rejected” talents on their roster or you don’t believe in this “rejects” argument and you don’t care that a wrestling fed has a number of “rejected” talents on their roster. You can’t have it both ways but of course with the IWC they only single out TNA for it while the Indy darling ROH skates by with no criticism for doing the same thing.
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Post by evil on Oct 5, 2011 23:46:12 GMT
Difference being. TNA mostly recruits ppl over the age of 40+. Unless you're a WWE main eventer, or a mid-carder that got 'screwed over' by the 'E'. haha.
ROH on the other hand. They recruit talent that was misused by TNA or WWE, and give them a fresh start. Jay Lethal is better then he ever was in TNA. Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas are one of the premiere tag teams for ROH.
Bottom line is. Nobody in there right mind wants to see guys over 40 years old headlining PPV's. TNA does that more often then not for the last 3-4 yrs. Where you have WWE. And, if you ignore the Cena haters. All there headliners are still young guys. Some of which. Haven't hit there prime yet, or just getting there. ROH, regardless of your position in the company. If they feel you can put on a great match. And they think you're good enough. You'll be headlining there shows. Like there last PPV event Death before Dishonor. There main event was the Brisco Bros vs The All-Night Express. A Tag Team Ladder Match that was brutal, and delivered the goods. And if that wasn't enough. The match before it. Between Eddie Edwards & Roderick Strong was stellar. Plus the under-card was pretty good overall.
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