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Post by Chris Lionheart on Jun 13, 2011 15:23:17 GMT
^ your comments about manor, joker, moneymaker and mgcage aside... Don't you think that saying things like that (implying that no-one else in MMInc has a passion left for efeds) are what really rub people the wrong way about you?
You're so vocal in what you think about other people, yet whom are you to feel that way, let alone broadcast those feelings publically whilst expecting no drama/backlash. That is why SDL took pot-shots at you earlier this year; not that you directly attacked him in particular; it was unfortunate that things esculated between you two publically instead of over MSN/PM which is where I repeatedly told you both to take it.
Can you please try to contribute constructively to discussions without the little digs or negativity-in-general?
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Post by joeseph on Jun 13, 2011 18:06:39 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If people have a problem with my opinion they can talk to me over MSN. A couple people, have and I have no issues with them. Others, I've had disagreements with, but they understand our difference of opinion and haven't flat out dismissed me as not knowing what I'm talking about. I told Sylas why I disagreed with his place on staff, he disagreed with me if I remember right and I left it at that. If people asked me my opinion on it, I told them flat out.
Had a couple times it escalated with Brandon, but I have no personal issue with him. If he wanted to talk to me about my opinions, I've told him my MSN is open, I just can't see when he's online and the same goes for a lot of recent additions. Often times, we're cool the next day far as I know.
Bottom line, I'm not gonna go out of my way to get your MSN or AIM info just to IM you and say you suck. I'm going to talk with friends on my opinion of certain characters and their direction or the direction of a fed as a whole. If it gets around to you and you take offense, I've said it before my MSN is open. I don't block many people and a lot of people who have added me just to flame me, are still unblocked.
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Post by Chris Lionheart on Jun 13, 2011 19:42:24 GMT
Talking over MSN/PM is fine. I don't have an issue with that. What I have issue with are the public showcasing of personal digs, or at least negative opinions. Such as the one a few posts back about MMInc's members not having any passion for efeds anymore. They make that call, and even if you feel that way it's not for you to say so publically. It doesn't look very good by you, on them, or for the fed in general. If you have these issues or opinions and would like to talk voice them, then you contact people over PM/MSN, or they will contact you. There's no need to post them publically in the way you do.
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Post by MG Cage on Jun 13, 2011 20:41:44 GMT
correct me if I'm wrong, but where did he say MMI had no passion for Efeds? I know he said that he thought I had a true passion for them, and that JOKEr was the only original member of MMI left besides MoneyMaker, but I think you may have read his post wrong.
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Post by joeseph on Jun 13, 2011 20:53:15 GMT
He did. NO where in my post does it even imply that I thought MMI had no passion. He did the same thing when I said Genesis and Scott Joseph shouldn't have had a title shot due to how short their current stint in TNB had been at the time. Instead of taking it for what was said he took it as I called Genesis's work garbage which was not the case nor the issue.
I've tried a couple times to resolve this issue between me and him peacefully, but each attempt has failed. Only two times I can think of where he was willing to compromise. One worked out decently, and the 2nd time didn't because of a misunderstanding.
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Post by ten on Jun 13, 2011 21:05:50 GMT
It is rubbing people the wrong way no matter if you can't see it or not. Its really not needed, and gets kind of old
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Post by MG Cage on Jun 13, 2011 21:10:55 GMT
It is rubbing people the wrong way no matter if you can't see it or not. Its really not needed, and gets kind of old how is it not needed if it was never said?
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Post by ten on Jun 13, 2011 21:15:40 GMT
It is rubbing people the wrong way no matter if you can't see it or not. Its really not needed, and gets kind of old how is it not needed if it was never said? I can't help it if you don't see the negative coming at people from scott's usual postings...I'm just telling you that its not needed
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Post by Chris Lionheart on Jun 13, 2011 21:18:18 GMT
This implies that as far as he can see, or in his opinion, members like Sylas or Jason YB or Genesis do not have a 'true passion' for efeds. What qualifys him to reach this opinion is beyond me, but weather or not someone has a true passion still, is up for said person to decide themselves - not other people.
I would wager that someone who's been roleplaying for as long as Sylas has and still does it, has a true passion for efedding. Or someone whom works with as many characters and feeds background roleplays into as many storylines by RPing as supporting cast characters as Jason YB's current handler has a true passion, or else he wouldn't do as much as he does. And Genesis... for all the drama in the past, when he is passionate about the direction or plans he has, he comes to 'work' every week and puts in the RP effort to make things happen. If he had no 'true passion', he would have stopped roleplaying years ago instead of continuing on.
But that is an issue quite apart from 'my' issue. That is for Chris and those people whom he feels those things about to sort it out between them in private, if they want to. 'My' issue is the reoccuring public broadcasting of these types of opinions. This is a topic about "Moments that made you love efedding", not debating which character's handlers in MMInc have a 'true passion' for efedding. Not only do comments like these quickly take discussions waay off topic, but they just look bad to be out in public, say, if a new member was browsing the boards and saw such comments.
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Post by Chris Lionheart on Jun 13, 2011 22:00:18 GMT
More moments that make me love efedding:
This may not make a whole lot of sense to most members. I would guess those that haven't been efed admins in the past, or perhaps those whom haven't been in TNB for years and years. But I love it when things just ''come together'' and feel right.
I've recently managed to piece together every single title holder for all of our current title belts. The 'World Class' was reletively easy, because although it has many title belts unified into it's lineage, it has only been around since 2009, and it was all contained on these proboards forums. Actually having the Amazon title (dating back to 2006), and the Undisputed and Tag Team title histories (since 2005) laid out in front of me really helps me appreciate how far TNB, and it's members have all come together.
Another example is when we started 2009 with the Gladiator championship instead of the familliar TNB Undisputed Title. Many people said they felt like something was missing. When The Avenger returned and the old Undisputed Title returned with him, I personally felt like a part of the efed's tradition (the belt and what it stands for, having evolved from a WCW Efed) was back.
Just last night I looked to WWE's PPVs, and how they have an established 'Big 4'. I realised that TNB has several PPVs that it has held in multiple years (perhaps not 'every year' annually, but most), which people almost "expect" to see now. Those 6 being: Abomination, Aggression, FallOut, Fame & Fortune, Revolution and Rise To Stardom (formerly Night Of Legends).
I felt proud to have created an identity for the fed that these PPV concepts would be strong enough to make multiple returns. I am now having fun attempting to make sure that they are all accounted-for next year, and trying to devise ways to not only space them out throughout the calandar year, but also make each of them feel special in their own right.
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Post by Sylas Styles on Jun 13, 2011 22:08:23 GMT
I've got more passion for efedding then anyone I know (no offense to anyone). I've got 2 kids, I wrestle on the independent scene, always looking for a permanent steady job with good enough pay to survive, and I STILL find time to roleplay more then 1/2 - 3/4's of the people in efeds I frequent.
I'm a life'r, because creatively, I've got too much to give, and not enough people to give it to. Despite some peoples opinions, i.e those with their heads up their ass or sit on their high horse of ego/elitism, I spend more time helping others then I do my own self, which is why Sylas hasn't really "grown" much over the last few years. Why Starr hasn't "evolved" to a higher level. I'm too busy helping others, getting others over, giving them feedback, tips, opinions, to work on my own stuff.
But hey, I'm the guy who hogs the glory, grows stale, and believes himself to be better then anyone and everyone. What's my opinion or presence worth despite name value, experience, knowledge to pass on, and giving pieces of shit someone to bad mouth when they FAIL to live up to their own potential because their too busy causing drama, and complaining about the drama they caused. That, or stating their own opinions as everyones, when in reality, it's only their own selfish opinion.
I'm done.. seriously, I'm done caring. I'm letting everyone know now, I TRULY am only out for myself and those I work with closely now. How's that for selfish? Exactly
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Post by ten on Jun 13, 2011 22:13:02 GMT
Seeing Lionheart add something...Now I wanna 0.0...
Some of the things that made love efeding is seeing everyone's creativity, and seeing all the different personas. I started the efed thing in 2005 in written efeds in myspace groups. Well back even years before that when it was just some friends mine, and we would have tournaments using older wwe, and wcw games with our created characters. Then I went to SCW, and then WCW which became WCW:TNB, and then TNB standing alone...Then my first staff position where I was the "rankings" guy...Seeing things like the time when Genesis was just owning it up as a heel...There wasn't a more hated heel in TNB at the time, and Gen rolled with it like it was nothing...And the women's division kicked off too with the "V" ladies...Lockhart, Nicole Storm, Kiss Wilmington...My two girls in "The Queen" Serenity, and Angelus, and then my other male wrestlers besides Shia Storm...Out of all the efed I did, I'd have to say that was pretty cool...Even tho I wasn't big in the company per say like Genesis or Avenger, but I enjoyed watching how everything unfolded week to week.
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Post by Chris Lionheart on Jun 13, 2011 22:35:10 GMT
More moments that make me love efedding:
With good games, comes better efed matches.
I remember... when caws didn't have to grinded to "level up". I remember... when females could fight males, and in any match type. I remember... when submission moves made people tap.
Since 2010 I think the SVR series has been in an upswing. With it's Community Creations making it very easy to grab people's CAWs exactly how they intended them to be, just like we used to do on PS2 with sharkports and maxdrives save devices. In 2010 we didn't have to grind CAWs through a career or story mode to get their stats up, it was doable in regular exhibition matches instead. With the hacks of BrienJ in 2011 we can once more have female CAWs fight against males, but more importantly fight in any match type they want. In WWE'12 I ''hope'' that all submission moves will use the new breaking point submission system, so that some excitement can be had in watching simmed matches once more. Will he tap out? Will the game allow us to see people crawling and reaching for the ropes? How will the new overall of stats (aggressive and defensive, look it up) play into the A.I. of all our characters?
I hope that we can one-day get back to the kind of matches we used to have on SVR06, when simmed efedding itself was in full swing. I personally think that the downfall of the SVR series had a lot to do with the downfall of the status of simmed efedding. I also hope that as the games pick up again, that TNB grows right alongside with them, because thus far we have weathered the good and the bad.
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Post by joeseph on Jun 13, 2011 23:37:27 GMT
All I said in this thread was MG Cage's passion has been an enjoying aspect of efeds and so has JOKEr sticking with MMI from the beginning. I'm sorry it got blown out of proportion, but MG Cage and JOKEr have been a part of efeds that have brought me enjoyment and I won't take credit away from those two. I've explained this to Karl in a conversation, and far as I know we have an understanding that it was a misunderstanding as were a couple other instances.
Anyone else has a problem past or present and we can settle it over PM or MSN right now like me and Karl did. Outside of that, I've been done with most of the beefs between me and others for a long time.
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Post by Jason Youngblood on Jun 14, 2011 0:13:32 GMT
I could really care less about the negative parts of e fedding. On the boards or off. On MSN or in some little kids basement while he fumes over something that happened in efeds like 7 years ago. If someone wants to carry that weight then I say let them. That's a choice and one they have the right to make. But it'll only hurt them really. Sitting there angry or depressed about something fictional anyway makes no sense whatsoever. I feel what Sylas is saying with his last post. Entirely. But I just choose not to even care. I'm having fun, plan on having more and if my rp's suck or my storylines suck to someone then they should stop reading it and save themselves some grief. That shit is like a bag of bricks, all ya gotta do is put it down. Simple. Things can always be better in a fed, but talking about it solves nothing, do something about it. Do something for your own characters that may rub off on others or something. But bitching solves nothing and only makes it worse. All ya can do is try I say. Above all else, have FUN. That's all we're required to do really. Now... onto moments that made me love efeds again.. The Simon Fierhart/The Damned Storyline from LXW was golden. Loved reading that stuff and it's a lot of started me wanting to rp myself. Miss those days. Vegas vs. Psycho feud. It's what got me rolling in rping since no one was working with him at the time and I was new so no one was working with me either. We put on a good show though I think. Those 2 hated each other with passion and I think we pulled it off pretty well. the 187 vs Bruiser feud. Shit was classic and funny at the same time when they went after each other on the microphone. You got a feeling that the 2 characters just despised one another but there was an inkling of respect there too. JUST an inkling though, no more than that lol The unfinished Familia/Regime/Order storyline from late APW to mid GCW which was left unfinished. So much potential in that story but I think most of us were burned out at that point and it wasn't meant to be I suppose. Oh well. Was fun while it lasted. Vegas vs. Jason Cross. All... 10 months of it. lol Especially the reveal that Sarah was none other than Vegas' little sister whom had just left VWE/WTF to try to wrestle for LXW at the time. So much fun I can't describe it. Stumbling upon the TNB boards for the FIRST time. I got to read characters I hadn't seen before. Maniac, Genesis, Pornstar, Kiss Wilmington, etc. Was cool to see other places and I grew to come back and check on the place from time to time to read more RP's. Even had a few characters planned to be there myself with Warrington Steele, Tommy Gunns & A face female in Bianca Summers who eventually ended up in APW. Most don't know that TNB was supposed to be the place for the original Regime faction that was in VWE. Makes me think.... What if?...Hmmm lol Dayna Mariano. No more needs to be said...Dayna...Mariano... Sylas Styles & Oichi. Those 2 helped making me want to rp after I stumbled upon VWE way back when. Sylas was one of the first characters I took characteristics from and added to Vegas, so that sticks out to me awhole lot when I think back to when I was a rookie myself. Gotta thank Sylas for agreeing to join and lead the Regime as if wouldn't have worked as long as it did if he didn't. Stacie Wilson. APW version. One of the more real female characters I've seen anyone RP in my opinion. Vault pulled that off so well, and I just wish he could have seen what I saw when he did. It was great to read. The Crossfire tag team with Sarah Andrews-Cross & Lindsay Corban. Was just fun to let loose and rp not worrying about keeping up a heel image. First face character I rp'd so it was definitely a different style to have to form. The formation of the Familia, and addition of Damian Juarez, Silvia & CMI into the group back in LXW. The rp's we did together were something that I doubt we could ever top and just seemed to flow together without any planning at all. Just logged in and went at it lol Damian Juarez. Period. The heel of heels. Made me want to totally revamp Vegas and I did. Borrowing some stuff from him too along the way. Dude was a mastermind and came up with sooooo many ideas for the Familia to use it's not even funny. The REAL brains behind the group. The takeover angle with Pryor & Lilith in FCW. Good stuff and both characters just fit that whole story so well it was unbelievable to read. Viewer Discretion. I'm a mark for heels so this needs no explanation. Robby Sylk, I digs it man I digs it. The Cameron Kincaid & Jacob Cruise tag team tenure. Nuff said. Those 2 along with Pyro's 'Nando character had me laughing so hard it was ridiculous lol too much fun. That along with the short lived feud with Cal Crossfire made me actually start liking Cameron more than any of my characters. Was fun to play the face for a change. An old thread in VWE where (if i'm not mistaken) Amber Gianni was stripping lol no need for explanation. The secret admirer thread Thr33x & myself did with Raven Reymaun & Amber Gianni down in WTF. Not planned out or anything, i just ran with the Messenger account and went with it. He took it and ran with it and made it great.. Still love to read that sometimes. Misty in VWE. Damn people hated her. But Raven loved her so that's all that mattered. ;D The Boston*. Great character and haven't seen many as interesting to read since GCW with the way Addy came up with something totally crazy to do with her. Great stuff. Natural Selection in GCW. Self explanatory. One of my favorite tag teams outside of Chaos Theory. Loved those guys and thought them and Cal Crossfire could be what Legacy SHOULD have been. Female wrestlers. Good and interesting ones. Anyone that knows me knows I like female characters more than the males since they hold way more potential to be unique than the males IMO. Lauren Blayze, Lilith, Jamie Dourif, Blizzard Kaze, Helena Troy, Angelus, Nicole Storm, Christine DeMonaco, Elizabeth Knight, Josilyn St. James, etc. etc. etc. Love the ladies and love to see good characters behind them, which is why I think TNB Amazons are at the top of the pack when it comes to current female efed rosters. Yeah I said it. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure I got more in the Vault lol
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